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The Irony of CG Goku's Sacrifice
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Topic Started: Nov 3 2014, 01:38 PM (984 Views)
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Nov 3 2014, 01:38 PM
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Goku thought he had to stay in Otherworld to protect Earth from vengeful enemies that may reemerge like Gero had. At the moment, this didn't seem like an entirely bad idea.
Yet, when you look at the series as a whole, this decision led to Earth's destruction.
If Goku had let himself be wished back, then everything still plays out the same more or less until a certain point.
The main difference is the following: Because Goku is on Earth, Vegeta never lets himself fall prey to Babidi's Majin magic. As a result, Buu is never released.
In the series, Vegeta let this happen because it was his only option. Goku was stronger than him due to Otherworld training, and this was his only day to fight him. When the day was over, Goku would return to Otherworld, and one day was not long enough to close the power gap.
However, if Goku stayed on Earth, one of two things would happen. First, Goku might be a little stronger, but because they're both on Earth, Vegeta would never accept another's help. Second, they're both relatively equal in which case Vegeta obviously wouldn't accept the Majin Charm.
So there you have it. Goku's decision to stay in Otherworld led to the rest of the stupid or selfish decisions that led to Buu's chocolate terror spree.
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Nov 3 2014, 02:09 PM
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Goku thought he had to stay in Otherworld to protect Earth from vengeful enemies that may reemerge like Gero had. At the moment, this didn't seem like an entirely bad idea.
Yet, when you look at the series as a whole, this decision led to Earth's destruction.
If Goku had let himself be wished back, then everything still plays out the same more or less until a certain point.
The main difference is the following: Because Goku is on Earth, Vegeta never lets himself fall prey to Babidi's Majin magic. As a result, Buu is never released.
In the series, Vegeta let this happen because it was his only option. Goku was stronger than him due to Otherworld training, and this was his only day to fight him. When the day was over, Goku would return to Otherworld, and one day was not long enough to close the power gap.
However, if Goku stayed on Earth, one of two things would happen. First, Goku might be a little stronger, but because they're both on Earth, Vegeta would never accept another's help. Second, they're both relatively equal in which case Vegeta obviously wouldn't accept the Majin Charm.
So there you have it. Goku's decision to stay in Otherworld led to the rest of the stupid or selfish decisions that led to Buu's chocolate terror spree.
goku couldnt reach ssj3 thus he couldnt do anything against fat buu
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Nov 3 2014, 02:10 PM
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Goku thought he had to stay in Otherworld to protect Earth from vengeful enemies that may reemerge like Gero had. At the moment, this didn't seem like an entirely bad idea.
Yet, when you look at the series as a whole, this decision led to Earth's destruction.
If Goku had let himself be wished back, then everything still plays out the same more or less until a certain point.
The main difference is the following: Because Goku is on Earth, Vegeta never lets himself fall prey to Babidi's Majin magic. As a result, Buu is never released.
In the series, Vegeta let this happen because it was his only option. Goku was stronger than him due to Otherworld training, and this was his only day to fight him. When the day was over, Goku would return to Otherworld, and one day was not long enough to close the power gap.
However, if Goku stayed on Earth, one of two things would happen. First, Goku might be a little stronger, but because they're both on Earth, Vegeta would never accept another's help. Second, they're both relatively equal in which case Vegeta obviously wouldn't accept the Majin Charm.
So there you have it. Goku's decision to stay in Otherworld led to the rest of the stupid or selfish decisions that led to Buu's chocolate terror spree.
goku couldnt reach ssj3 thus he couldnt do anything against fat buu
Wouldn't matter since Fat Buu would likely never be released.
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Goku thought he had to stay in Otherworld to protect Earth from vengeful enemies that may reemerge like Gero had. At the moment, this didn't seem like an entirely bad idea.
Yet, when you look at the series as a whole, this decision led to Earth's destruction.
If Goku had let himself be wished back, then everything still plays out the same more or less until a certain point.
The main difference is the following: Because Goku is on Earth, Vegeta never lets himself fall prey to Babidi's Majin magic. As a result, Buu is never released.
In the series, Vegeta let this happen because it was his only option. Goku was stronger than him due to Otherworld training, and this was his only day to fight him. When the day was over, Goku would return to Otherworld, and one day was not long enough to close the power gap.
However, if Goku stayed on Earth, one of two things would happen. First, Goku might be a little stronger, but because they're both on Earth, Vegeta would never accept another's help. Second, they're both relatively equal in which case Vegeta obviously wouldn't accept the Majin Charm.
So there you have it. Goku's decision to stay in Otherworld led to the rest of the stupid or selfish decisions that led to Buu's chocolate terror spree.
goku couldnt reach ssj3 thus he couldnt do anything against fat buu
Wouldn't matter since Fat Buu would likely never be released.
how should you know? Kaioshin was certain in buu's release before he witnessed vegeta's betreyal
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Nov 3 2014, 02:16 PM
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Goku thought he had to stay in Otherworld to protect Earth from vengeful enemies that may reemerge like Gero had. At the moment, this didn't seem like an entirely bad idea.
Yet, when you look at the series as a whole, this decision led to Earth's destruction.
If Goku had let himself be wished back, then everything still plays out the same more or less until a certain point.
The main difference is the following: Because Goku is on Earth, Vegeta never lets himself fall prey to Babidi's Majin magic. As a result, Buu is never released.
In the series, Vegeta let this happen because it was his only option. Goku was stronger than him due to Otherworld training, and this was his only day to fight him. When the day was over, Goku would return to Otherworld, and one day was not long enough to close the power gap.
However, if Goku stayed on Earth, one of two things would happen. First, Goku might be a little stronger, but because they're both on Earth, Vegeta would never accept another's help. Second, they're both relatively equal in which case Vegeta obviously wouldn't accept the Majin Charm.
So there you have it. Goku's decision to stay in Otherworld led to the rest of the stupid or selfish decisions that led to Buu's chocolate terror spree.
goku couldnt reach ssj3 thus he couldnt do anything against fat buu
Wouldn't matter since Fat Buu would likely never be released.
how should you know? Kaioshin was certain in buu's release before he witnessed vegeta's betreyal
Because Buu was only released due to all of the energy Majin Vegeta beat out of Goku.
As I said in the OP, if Goku doesn't stay in Otherworld, then it is extremely likely Vegeta doesn't go Majin. Since Goku isn't leaving forever at the end of the day, there isn't a huge desperation to immediately match his archrival for a last time.
Without that fight, they cannot gather the rest of the necessary energy.
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Nov 3 2014, 02:18 PM
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Goku thought he had to stay in Otherworld to protect Earth from vengeful enemies that may reemerge like Gero had. At the moment, this didn't seem like an entirely bad idea.
Yet, when you look at the series as a whole, this decision led to Earth's destruction.
If Goku had let himself be wished back, then everything still plays out the same more or less until a certain point.
The main difference is the following: Because Goku is on Earth, Vegeta never lets himself fall prey to Babidi's Majin magic. As a result, Buu is never released.
In the series, Vegeta let this happen because it was his only option. Goku was stronger than him due to Otherworld training, and this was his only day to fight him. When the day was over, Goku would return to Otherworld, and one day was not long enough to close the power gap.
However, if Goku stayed on Earth, one of two things would happen. First, Goku might be a little stronger, but because they're both on Earth, Vegeta would never accept another's help. Second, they're both relatively equal in which case Vegeta obviously wouldn't accept the Majin Charm.
So there you have it. Goku's decision to stay in Otherworld led to the rest of the stupid or selfish decisions that led to Buu's chocolate terror spree.
goku couldnt reach ssj3 thus he couldnt do anything against fat buu
Wouldn't matter since Fat Buu would likely never be released.
how should you know? Kaioshin was certain in buu's release before he witnessed vegeta's betreyal
Because Goku and/or Vegeta would kill Dabura and Babidi's plan would be foiled.
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Goku thought he had to stay in Otherworld to protect Earth from vengeful enemies that may reemerge like Gero had. At the moment, this didn't seem like an entirely bad idea.
Yet, when you look at the series as a whole, this decision led to Earth's destruction.
If Goku had let himself be wished back, then everything still plays out the same more or less until a certain point.
The main difference is the following: Because Goku is on Earth, Vegeta never lets himself fall prey to Babidi's Majin magic. As a result, Buu is never released.
In the series, Vegeta let this happen because it was his only option. Goku was stronger than him due to Otherworld training, and this was his only day to fight him. When the day was over, Goku would return to Otherworld, and one day was not long enough to close the power gap.
However, if Goku stayed on Earth, one of two things would happen. First, Goku might be a little stronger, but because they're both on Earth, Vegeta would never accept another's help. Second, they're both relatively equal in which case Vegeta obviously wouldn't accept the Majin Charm.
So there you have it. Goku's decision to stay in Otherworld led to the rest of the stupid or selfish decisions that led to Buu's chocolate terror spree.
goku couldnt reach ssj3 thus he couldnt do anything against fat buu
Wouldn't matter since Fat Buu would likely never be released.
how should you know? Kaioshin was certain in buu's release before he witnessed vegeta's betreyal
Because Buu was only released due to all of the energy Majin Vegeta beat out of Goku. As I said in the OP, if Goku doesn't stay in Otherworld, then it is extremely likely Vegeta doesn't go Majin. Since Goku isn't leaving forever at the end of the day, there isn't a huge desperation to immediately match his archrival for a last time. Without that fight, they cannot gather the rest of the necessary energy.
Majin Vegeta would be created anyway....if there d be any difference between goku and vegeta and if there d be a chance for Vegeta to shrink that gap, he would still gladly accept the "gift"
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Nov 3 2014, 02:32 PM
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I think I agree with the OP here, Goku without otherworld training would likely be as powerful as pre Majin Vegeta, and both of these guys can stomp Dabura easily, so game over. If Goku was on earth either his power would be similar to Vegeta's which means Vegeta would never accept a power up, or even if he was weaker he still has time to train and surpass him, he only resorted to Babidi cause Goku had only one die left.
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Providing Goku stayed on Earth, he'd also have Gohan as a training partner, so that may affect things here.
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Providing Goku stayed on Earth, he'd also have Gohan as a training partner, so that may affect things here.
Depends if Goku can convince Chi Chi. Without a present threat, Goku has no reason to train with Gohan. You do not want to go up against the wrath of Chi Chi unprepared 
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Providing Goku stayed on Earth, he'd also have Gohan as a training partner, so that may affect things here.
Yeah, worth mentioning because Gohan wouldn't slack off and would be still a lot stronger than Goku and Vegeta potentially.
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Would Goku have got stronger than Vegeta though?
They were dead on at SSj2, it seems like there's a limit to that form before the only option is SSj3, at least with Goku.
Were Goku around Vegeta probably would have trained even harder he didn't slack off sure but he had no competition. It's doubtful Gohan would have trained he's not really a fighter he wanted to be a scholar or whatever anyway it was just necessary for him to train whenever he did.
Forgetting about Goten, he'd have been Goku's next project. Can you imagine how crazy he'd go when Goten went SSj? That's who he'd have trained and with that it's unlikely he'd have got much stronger so Vegeta probably would have closed the gap given that he trains on his own.
If anything it's possible Vegeta could have got stronger than Goku he makes more significant gains, Goku had SSj way before him and had tons of time to train with the form yet Vegeta was equal to him or perhaps even a bit stronger after he ascended and had much less training time.
Then there's BoG where his SSj2 is as strong as Goku's SSj3.
HOWEVER if Vegeta did get stronger could he have resisted taking on Goku? Though this would likely happen in less than 7 years.
If he was stronger and killed Goku he'd have been arrogant enough to take Buu on.
And with no knowledge of the fusion dance to save them the world would be doomed, unless Goten and Trunks did the Potara fusion.
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Providing Goku stayed on Earth, he'd also have Gohan as a training partner, so that may affect things here.
Yeah, worth mentioning because Gohan wouldn't slack off and would be still a lot stronger than Goku and Vegeta potentially.
Piccolo at the 3 year gap shows us it's easy to close the gap though.
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Nov 3 2014, 03:59 PM
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Providing Goku stayed on Earth, he'd also have Gohan as a training partner, so that may affect things here.
Goku is a better fighter than Gohan...
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Providing Goku stayed on Earth, he'd also have Gohan as a training partner, so that may affect things here.
Depends if Goku can convince Chi Chi. Without a present threat, Goku has no reason to train with Gohan. You do not want to go up against the wrath of Chi Chi unprepared
Goku could convince her easily
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Piccolo at the 3 year gap shows us it's easy to close the gap though.
Do not forget he had Nail and his "potential" also
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